Tom asked a great question: When is a boycott considered intimidation?
Many people who have attended to some business near (or in) a supermarket (in SoCal) in the last month or so can answer that. I've seen (and heard) complaints about the protests from all kinds of people, including those you'd expect embrace this sort of protest. When the protesters start yelling at someone (you, or someone near you) with no provocation and the mood turns ugly, that's moving towards "intimidation and harassment".
I have some personal experience with this, specific to pro-life protesters. For more than a year (most of 1984, early 1985), we lived in a small apartment complex across the street from a strip mall in Norfolk, VA that contained a NCNB branch (I think that was the name, it would now be BofA), an insurance company, an abortion clinic and a couple other small businesses. Every weekend the local chapter of Right to Life would be out and five to fifteen people would be working the corner of Bison and Little Creek. They had a message and they were relentless in delivering it. They made some noise and were pretty visible, but no one had become a problem. Over time, these folks become more and more bold, to the point where they started heckling people who were doing nothing more than using the shopping center. It became harassment just to use the ATM at the bank on the wrong day. A group of people once followed us into the parking area of our apartment building on the other side of Bison (I guess we lived too close). This was the same clinic that John Salvi shot up ten years later.
So that's my little story, now the disclaimer. I'm pro-choice. Partly because I'm not a woman and it feels wrong for me to make choices for others that have no direct affect on me (pregnancy is not a gender neutral question). The other part is fiscal, I'm not interested in funding an unwanted child if I can avoid it. That may seem cold to some, but I've been comfortable with that view of things since I was sixteen (Jan '75 was the timeframe, Saturday Night Live was the talk of the hallways and I'd finally figured out a big part of a very confusing adolescent picture by observing others).
Getting back to the original question....
Was there intimidation in the case in Austin? That's hard to say. The calls to a subcontractor warning him not to participate sound a bit like it (more so if they come from other parts of the country). Having churches circulate a list of companies that do work on the clinic is an interesting (and intimidating perhaps) tactic. There wasn't anything physical, but when churches become political things get messy quickly (and yes, we also scold churches when they don't).
Austin is a pretty youthful city, so I'd guess these kinds of services are needed more frequently than in other parts of Texas. One thing that always seems to get left out of these articles is a discussion of other choices available in the area. These types of clinics are often a good choice for certain kinds of testing (pregnancy, STDs and AIDS as examples), especially for people without insurance (mostly young singles and families) and those who don't want their doctors to know (like young almost families who skipped the vows part, including a lot of people on the fringes of the military).
Posted by Dave at November 22, 2003 01:30 AMI've seen some of the pro-lifers get out of control when demonstrating and it is plain ugly. I wouldn't even stop at calling it intimidation, there's got to be a more powerful word for it. That sort of behavior makes the entire movement look bad and sadly, not enough is said or done by the group as a whole to condemn it.
This isn't the place for a pro-life/pro-choie discussion (that needs to take place over a beer and a true back and forth conversation) but I figured I'd leave two thoughts on the topic:
1) I ponder the question of whether or not it is a human life at the time of abortion. There are many unwanted, neglected children who are already beyond the birth canal. Should the mother be able to terminate those lives? The answer is obvious but if one considers a life is a life is a life, what is the difference, aside from physical location?
2) Considering the tremndous expense we undertake in saving any one life, whether it be a soldier or wounded homeless person, should money factor in to our decision as to whether or not to terminate a life? I suppose one has to belive that it is indeed a *life* before these questions can be answered properly.
I've had some great discussions with folks much smarter than me who hold an opposing view to mine. Unfortunately I've never convinced them and they've never swayed me... the discussion continues.:)
Posted by: Tom McDonald on November 22, 2003 10:13 AM commLinkBoth are good points Tom. We're going to have to get that beer someday.
I ponder the question of whether or not it is a human life at the time of abortion. There are many unwanted, neglected children who are already beyond the birth canal. Should the mother be able to terminate those lives? The answer is obvious but if one considers a life is a life is a life, what is the difference, aside from physical location?
There is a time when a change occurs and we have a meaningful human life. Much of the debate centers on that time. I am and always have been a little fuzzy on when that time is.
Considering the tremndous expense we undertake in saving any one life, whether it be a soldier or wounded homeless person, should money factor in to our decision as to whether or not to terminate a life? I suppose one has to belive that it is indeed a *life* before these questions can be answered properly.
Which could lead to a debate on who decides. As a society we're not consistent in how we decide to dole out care because money does get involved.
Posted by: Dave Ely on November 22, 2003 09:08 PM commLink